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Traveller-digest     Monday, December 27 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1589<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Planet X? (was: Re: Drawing Program)<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: in jokes <BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
GT Ship Damage Tables<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: in jokes <BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: RIP graphics<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:16:28 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Planet X? (was: Re: Drawing Program)<BR>
<BR>
"David J. Golden" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
>         Think of all the fun you could have ... let your players hear about<BR>
> some new software gewgaw they might like. Maybe Planet X's forte is<BR>
> offensive software (not that kind, that's simply a matter of taste),<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
And here I was, thinking that Planet X's forte was that it was the only<BR>
known remaining supply of alludium phosdex, the shaving cream atom....<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:20:01 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>Just wondering, what is the scientific name for Neanderthals?<BR>
<BR>
there are two in competition:<BR>
	Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis<BR>
	Homo Neaderthalensis<BR>
<BR>
>I was watching an interesing show on TLC or Discovery the other night that<BR>
>dealt with the end of the Neanderthals. Recent evidence (skeletons etc...)<BR>
>as<BR>
>pretty much ended the debate as to what happened to them. Seems like they<BR>
>were assimilated into Homosapiens.<BR>
>So, if Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals can interbreed as is now strongly<BR>
>suggested<BR>
>what are the chances that all the humans can interbreed in the 3I?<BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, all it shows is that H. Sapiens N. is probably more accurate.<BR>
<BR>
In any case, they were separated from the H. Sapiens Sapiens (*US*, in case<BR>
you're unaware, good reader) by a mere 30 thousand years. It is, according<BR>
to what I've read, basically accepted that there have been several<BR>
sub-species of H. Sapiens, including Cro-Magnon, Sapiens, Arcanis (SP?),<BR>
and by some accounts Neanderthalensis. The divergence point from which<BR>
arose the Neanderthals is probably some 60KYA and the replacement dates to<BR>
about 40KYA, so that's about 20,000 years. BTW, I've read (and heard on<BR>
Wild Discovery, as well) that modern polar and Grizzly (N Am Brown) bears<BR>
diverged from a common ancestor about 15KYA.<BR>
<BR>
>Just a notion<BR>
<BR>
And, as Leonard has pointed out, there is some suspicion of interbreeding<BR>
capability with Chimps. There are rumors of it from africa, but they are<BR>
not scientifically substantiated.<BR>
<BR>
Likewise, we KNOW that many diseases have crossed species barriers as<BR>
STD's; we're just not able to conclusively proove that the crossover<BR>
occured by interspecies intercourse! (Syphillis is supposedly related to a<BR>
rather harmless vaginal infection in sheep; HIV is known to have been a<BR>
less lethal virus in monkeys. It is interesting to note, though, that the<BR>
multiple origins of medeavil syphylis outbreaks radiate from areas of<BR>
intensive sheep farming...)<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:23:38 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes <BR>
<BR>
From: Keven R. Pittsinger <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>> At 01:56 PM 12/26/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>> >The "Monarch" class Imperial battlecruiser _Norton I_ (the Bay Area<BR>
>> >folks should recognize this one!)<BR>
>><BR>
>> Along with the Willie I, of course!<BR>
>><BR>
>> His Imperial Majesty Willie I, Ruler of all lands West of Emeryville to<BR>
the<BR>
>> Farallon Islands, Lord of San Francisco, Protector of Treasure Island,<BR>
>> Defender of the Bay Bridge.<BR>
>><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I want a Willie I in my universe just so that I can blow the living fuck out<BR>
of it.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
MUNI rider<BR>
Would have voted for Sailor Moon if she had run against Willie Brown<BR>
Has voted for Roberta Achtenberg, Frank Jordan (while holding nose), Clint<BR>
Reilly and Tom Ammiano<BR>
Wants to give the people who pied Willie Brown in the face an Imperial<BR>
Warrant<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:55:06<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
At 10:55 AM 12/27/1999 PST, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Say, the North loses the Civil War and suddenly being a US territory<BR>
>doesn't look so good. I could see some political types making Norton I<BR>
>a figurehead under which they can unite the West Coast, and maybe even<BR>
>other territory.<BR>
<BR>
We tried that.  Much of Northern California and souther Oregon was caught<BR>
up in a movement to declare independance from either the union, or just<BR>
from Southern California in the early forties.  They had a constitution,<BR>
laws and even a one-aircraft air force that later lended its name to a<BR>
famous rock band...<BR>
<BR>
http://www.jeffersonstate.com/<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"Avoid small projects, they leave no mark on people's memories"<BR>
- - Daniel Burnham, San Francisco City Planner, 1907.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:01:59<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
At 07:39 PM 12/27/1999 -0000, you wrote:<BR>
>>Nick, you *really* don't know about Emperor Norton?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>I'd never heard of him. But then I'm an engineer, not a historian. And being<BR>
>English and twenty, my store of general knowledge acquired from years in the<BR>
>world is both limited and centred on the UK.<BR>
<BR>
As previously referenced:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/norton.html<BR>
<BR>
Is a good overview of our Beloved Emperor's career.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:06:50<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
At 03:11 PM 12/27/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Uh, excuse me, but how does one go about killing a keyboard? :) :)<BR>
<BR>
When one makes a suitably silly post, it commonly causes the reader to<BR>
forcibly eject whatever he happens to be drinking at the time onto the<BR>
keyboard after a scenic tour of the sinus passages.<BR>
<BR>
Since most keyboards are not designed to accept coffee or soda at near-c<BR>
velocities, it causes them to fail.<BR>
<BR>
Some of us live to produce this effect in others.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"Pardon me, excuse me, Giant vampiric flightless winged<BR>
squirrel, coming through.."  -Tim the Paladin, "Yamara"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:08:53<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
At 03:38 PM 12/27/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
<BR>
Kirsten and I have been joking for years about needing to buy Teddy Bear<BR>
Chow before the angry mob of teddy bears goes beserk.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:10:30 -0600<BR>
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net><BR>
Subject: GT Ship Damage Tables<BR>
<BR>
I have been looking at the Ship Damage table in GT and the one in <BR>
GURPS Space, and was tinkering with the rough draft of a set of <BR>
tables more along the line of High Guard, these would still use the<BR>
chart for types of damage from GURPS Space. <BR>
<BR>
On a sort of related topic, I was looking through my copy of Space<BR>
Opera, and they have a really detailed set of rules for damage and<BR>
or malfunctions. and I was considering using bits and pieces from <BR>
there in these tables.<BR>
<BR>
Is Phil McGregor still a TML person? I remember one of the folks <BR>
who wrote Space Opera was at one time. I would like to get in <BR>
contact with them.<BR>
<BR>
I can post the rough draft of these tables to the TML or to my <BR>
website, but I dont want to ruffle feathers or step on toes in the <BR>
process.<BR>
<BR>
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh<BR>
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf<BR>
ADD/ADHD Advocate<BR>
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:23:53 -0500<BR>
From: Steve Noe <fusilier@mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
[snip] <BR>
> What sports are there in the Third Imperium? This is a really serious<BR>
> question, as sports in the real world have become more than just a bunch of<BR>
> people playing a game.<BR>
<BR>
IMHO, there are two types of sports:  Spectator sports and participation<BR>
sports.  Spectator sports might well be gravball and similar team<BR>
activities - much on the order of a Roman circus (with or without the<BR>
bloodshed :^< .)<BR>
<BR>
Look at football.  US or European, it doesn't matter, the point is lots<BR>
of action, identification with a particual social group, etc., etc. <BR>
Also basketball, which caters to shorter and shorter attention spans,<BR>
with lots of points scored, rapid changes of the lead, and plenty of<BR>
opportunities for commercial breaks.<BR>
<BR>
Participation sports, OTOH, will be low tech as possible:  archery,<BR>
black-powder firearms, fly-fishing.  In one chapter of _A Sand County<BR>
Almanac_, Aldo Leopold talked about the obligatory lack of practicality<BR>
in a good hobby.<BR>
<BR>
Just Say (tm from another list) I wonder what a K'kree steeplechase<BR>
event would look like??<BR>
<BR>
Steve Noe, in Indianapolis<BR>
fusilier@mindspring.com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:23:32 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes <BR>
<BR>
>I want a Willie I in my universe just so that I can blow the living fuck<BR>
out<BR>
>of it.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<WHOP!><BR>
<BR>
#:-p<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:25:00 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> I think they may have had both Netscape and IE versions. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I think the web site is www.telegrafix.com<BR>
><BR>
> Got it Leonard, thanks muchly!<BR>
<BR>
Now we just need a *good* drawing program that supports RIP.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:32:33 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Okay....You got mine on that one.....Enough already!!!! It actually wasn't<BR>
fair as I was eating sweet potatoes and not taking a drink. Do you have any<BR>
clue what chunky orange splort does to a keyboard. Especially since it got a<BR>
double douche^^^^se when it ricocheted off the monitor. Ggggrrrrrrrr<BR>
<BR>
Thom<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Swordy (Colin Michael)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 4:49 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I wish to offer my sincerest apologies for any unintentional destruction I<BR>
> may have caused.  As my number one New Years 2000 resolution I pledge to<BR>
> cease and desist humorous posts.  To achieve this goal I shall run all of<BR>
my<BR>
> TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to strip<BR>
> out any references to topics that are not deadly serious.  There is,<BR>
> however, a fifty-fifty chance that this will cause my posts to come<BR>
through<BR>
> empty.<BR>
><BR>
- -SNIP-<BR>
><BR>
> Colin Michael, WebDev<BR>
><BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:36:44 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>I never use it, as jpg is so much better for most pictures.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line drawing<BR>
>>is better rendered using a vector format anyway.<BR>
>><BR>
> GIF and PNG both are there to fill a gap that is not filled: downloadable<BR>
> display graphics.<BR>
><BR>
> For web pages, GIFs are often far more flexible than JPG's. GIF's can be<BR>
> made in 1, 2, 4, or 8 bit, in a variety of sizes. They are generally fairly<BR>
> low in overhead. They include a pallate of colors, and so are flexible. The<BR>
> are bitmapped, and so can be displayed with minimal processor cycles.<BR>
<BR>
They also have the ability to "rasterize" an image for "quicker"<BR>
display. Basicly, it's an interlace option. Every 8th(?) line is<BR>
displayed. Then the "4th" lines "halfway" between them. Then the<BR>
"second" lines, and finally the last pass fills in the remaining lines.<BR>
<BR>
This is great because it means you get an idea what the whole picture<BR>
looks like *long* before it finishes downloading. So you get to decide<BR>
if you want it or not much earlier. <BR>
<BR>
Compare that with JPEG's "top down" (just like "regular" GIFs) and BMPs<BR>
"bottom UP".<BR>
<BR>
> It takes about 2 times longer to display a .jpg as a .GIF on most machines<BR>
> I've worked with; I've not seen ANY vector formats supported by stock<BR>
> browsers.[1] Heck, the only vector formats I've seen discussed that I can<BR>
> open are .ps and .pdf; both are slow.<BR>
<BR>
Hit the Telegrafix web site and get their RIP add-on for your browser.<BR>
It even supports Bezier curves.<BR>
<BR>
> [1] by stock, I mean AS IT INSTALLS. No plug ins from ohter packages. Yeah,<BR>
> NS and IE, with the acrbat plug, will display acrobat pdfs....<BR>
<BR>
Oh, ok, in that case RIP doesn't count either. But it's a damn good<BR>
start. I rather hope they manage to survive and get some market share.<BR>
Currently, I think the problem is the abysmal quality of most RIP<BR>
drawing programs. Especially the edit functions.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe some ambitious programmer will grab the source for one of the<BR>
"open source" low-end CAD programs, and a copy of the ripscript<BR>
protocol (which, BTW, sticks to *printable* characters, thus making it<BR>
immune to several type of network glitches). <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:46:50 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> I wish to offer my sincerest apologies for any unintentional destruction I<BR>
> may have caused.  As my number one New Years 2000 resolution I pledge to<BR>
> cease and desist humorous posts. <BR>
<BR>
Why? Humor is *not* forbidden on the list?<BR>
<BR>
> To achieve this goal I shall run all of my<BR>
> TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to strip<BR>
> out any references to topics that are not deadly serious.<BR>
<BR>
I think you've misnamed it. Sounds more like a Cliff-izer to me. After<BR>
all, I've made humorous posts too!<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:50:02 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: RIP graphics<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Writes:<BR>
>>Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector format".<BR>
>>There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only *attempt* at one<BR>
>>is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format for BBS screens) to<BR>
>>a web browser add-on.<BR>
>><BR>
> Would you happen to know the location of a rip plug for the mac? And, if<BR>
> so, then I'd be looking for a RIP generator.<BR>
<BR>
Check out the telegrafix web site.<BR>
<BR>
> I know that RipTerm did more than just graphics... it was a wonderful tool<BR>
> for BBS's, but it didn't really catch on (at least locally) since it<BR>
> required rip enabled server and client software... And RIPTerm really blew<BR>
> for non-rip sites.<BR>
<BR>
I've seen worse! Like the atrocities they include with some modems.<BR>
<BR>
> For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of<BR>
> operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which simply<BR>
> downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front End<BR>
> with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the second<BR>
> mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP<BR>
> materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP connection<BR>
> was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.<BR>
<BR>
Apparently you can also import PCX files into a RIP screen somehow. <BR>
<BR>
> RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of<BR>
> content. <BR>
<BR>
It also had sound, though it was limited by using the PC speaker.<BR>
<BR>
> The result was comparable  to HTML, but somewhat smoother.<BR>
> However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.<BR>
<BR>
I think that with some work, incorporating it (or something similar)<BR>
into HTML would be a good thing. But it definitely needs work. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:56:21 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
><BR>
> For example:<BR>
><BR>
> Purina Rodent Lab Chow<BR>
> Purina Horse Chow<BR>
> Purina Deer Chow<BR>
> Purina Goat Chow<BR>
> Purina Monkey Chow <BR>
> Purina Monkey Chow Jumbo<BR>
> Purina Ferret Chow<BR>
> Purina Trout Chow<BR>
> Purina Cow Chow  (small change in the formula produces Purina K'kree Chow)<BR>
> Purina Nurse Chow (No!  It's for nursing baby cows)<BR>
> Purina High Octane Hog Chow (for your Harley)<BR>
><BR>
> Much of the really exotic chows are being sold under the Mazuri name<BR>
> (www.mazuri.com).<BR>
<BR>
Some of us have joked about making a special order for "Purina Human<BR>
Chow" and putting some in the Hospitality Suite at cons. :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:33:05 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Just wondering, what is the scientific name for Neanderthals?<BR>
<BR>
Well, it *used* to be "homo neanderthalis" (or something like that).<BR>
<BR>
More recent studies of the existing bones have led some to conclude<BR>
that they are actuall the same species as us!<BR>
<BR>
> I was watching an interesing show on TLC or Discovery the other night<BR>
> that dealt with the end of the Neanderthals. Recent evidence<BR>
> (skeletons etc...) as pretty much ended the debate as to what<BR>
> happened to them.  Seems like they were assimilated into Homosapiens.<BR>
<BR>
Well, as noted above, there are some who argue that they were never a<BR>
seperate species anyway. <BR>
<BR>
> So, if Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals can interbreed as is now<BR>
> strongly suggested what are the chances that all the humans can<BR>
> interbreed in the 3I?<BR>
<BR>
Fairly strong. There's a lot of debate as to whether humans and<BR>
*chimps* are cross-fertile and that's after 3 *million* years of<BR>
seperation.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:04:18 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
<description of early computer experiences><BR>
<BR>
Hey, I started out in my Junior year of High School. I was recommended<BR>
by my electronics teacher to a no-credit course in programming at a<BR>
local university (Gonzaga U in Spokane). That was 71-72. I learned to<BR>
use a keypunch and learned FORTRAN. And got to hand in the card decks I<BR>
punched to be run on the IBM 360 they had. <BR>
<BR>
I got extra credit in my Logic class for writting a program to test<BR>
logical expressions to see if they were tautologies. <BR>
<BR>
I took a year of computer programming at a community college, but I<BR>
flunked out. But in the process, I learned Assemly language on an *old*<BR>
Honeywell mainframe (which had less than 32k of memory, with each<BR>
location storing a 6-bit "word"). I learned BASIC using a terminal in<BR>
the Library to access a time-sharing system. Which is where I ran into<BR>
directories for the first time. That was 74.<BR>
<BR>
In 1980, a housemate got a TRS-80 model I, and I was the one always<BR>
straightening out his programming mistakes. In Dec 80, I got my own<BR>
system a TRS-80 Model III (which I still have, though muchly upgraded). <BR>
<BR>
I won't go thru all the other systems I've had since then. :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:53:02 -0600<BR>
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
and lets not forget<BR>
Purina Demon Chow<BR>
from the Bureau 13 books<BR>
<BR>
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh<BR>
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf<BR>
ADD/ADHD Advocate<BR>
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:57:06 -0600<BR>
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
thats just spuddy marvelous, we now get to put up with your yam-mering <BR>
about losing another keyboard. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh<BR>
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf<BR>
ADD/ADHD Advocate<BR>
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:39:41 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> > To achieve this goal I shall run all of my<BR>
> > TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to strip<BR>
> > out any references to topics that are not deadly serious.<BR>
> <BR>
> I think you've misnamed it. Sounds more like a Cliff-izer to me. After<BR>
> all, I've made humorous posts too!<BR>
<BR>
Nah, a C**f-izer would randomly insert personal attacks and inflammatory<BR>
posts.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:46:32 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 28 December 1999 02:16<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>> Just wondering, what is the scientific name for Neanderthals?<BR>
><BR>
>Well, it *used* to be "homo neanderthalis" (or something like that).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Currently (well... 5 years ago when I studied archaeology at Uni) it it Homo<BR>
Sapiens Neanderthalensis, one of several 'archaic' varieties of homo<BR>
sapiens. 'Modern' Humans are Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and are first seen in the<BR>
archaological sources from c120-100,000 bp. Archaic Hom. Sap varieties date<BR>
from c 4-300,000bp to c35,000bp<BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond<BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
www.akira.swinternet.co.uk/strom.html<BR>
- --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
"To strike a man who insults you is one thing...<BR>
...To run him through with a sword is quite another!"<BR>
- --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:10:39 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
How 'bout a warehouse error, which leads to a shipload of Purina Vargr<BR>
Chow being sent in place of the order for Purina K'kree Chow?  ;-)<BR>
<BR>
I know whereof I speak on this subject.  Not only am I a native St.<BR>
Louisan (the home of Ralston-Purina; when they owned the St. Louis Blues<BR>
hockey team, the arena was known as the "Checkerdome"), but also, as<BR>
Rick Stump will attest, our unit patch at Ft. Bragg (525th Military<BR>
Intelligence Brigade) was referred to by such names as "Purina Power and<BR>
Light" and "Ralston-Purina Strike Force."<BR>
<BR>
See<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776/mypageml.html<BR>
<BR>
For a picture of the 525th MI Bde patch, and a link to my old unit.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:23:16 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
Yes, but you see, you (and the others most likely) have had formal training<BR>
on computers.  I have had none at all.  I had to learn on my own, so even<BR>
this day I don't know much.  I know BASIC good but its a dead language.  I<BR>
have Visual Basic 4.0 but it makes no sense to me at all when I try to<BR>
program in it.  I also have Visual C++ 6.0 which is also collecting dust.  I<BR>
thought I could make the leap from BASIC to these higher languages but so<BR>
far simple understanding of the mechanics eludes me.  I have a BASIC program<BR>
I've been wanting to port to Visual C++ in order to make it a seamless<BR>
application within my Win95 system.  I realize switching to these new<BR>
languages requires a major paradigm shift but so far I've not been up to the<BR>
task.  So now it's been a few years since I did any coding.  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Leonard Erickson" <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 9:04 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
> <description of early computer experiences><BR>
><BR>
> Hey, I started out in my Junior year of High School. I was recommended<BR>
> by my electronics teacher to a no-credit course in programming at a<BR>
> local university (Gonzaga U in Spokane). That was 71-72. I learned to<BR>
> use a keypunch and learned FORTRAN. And got to hand in the card decks I<BR>
> punched to be run on the IBM 360 they had.<BR>
><BR>
> I got extra credit in my Logic class for writting a program to test<BR>
> logical expressions to see if they were tautologies.<BR>
><BR>
> I took a year of computer programming at a community college, but I<BR>
> flunked out. But in the process, I learned Assemly language on an *old*<BR>
> Honeywell mainframe (which had less than 32k of memory, with each<BR>
> location storing a 6-bit "word"). I learned BASIC using a terminal in<BR>
> the Library to access a time-sharing system. Which is where I ran into<BR>
> directories for the first time. That was 74.<BR>
><BR>
> In 1980, a housemate got a TRS-80 model I, and I was the one always<BR>
> straightening out his programming mistakes. In Dec 80, I got my own<BR>
> system a TRS-80 Model III (which I still have, though muchly upgraded).<BR>
><BR>
> I won't go thru all the other systems I've had since then. :-)<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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